I got some red colored Black mouth curs that origanly came from around commanche, ok. There extra leggy and most come reddish colored, the guy I got them from called the " hood dogs " I know what that means and it doesn't go with a specific line but thats about all I got to go on, the seem to have above average noses and aren't real rough dogs, big stocky heads. if any one knows of a line of dogs like that from there holler at me these dogs I bought are just pups but there grandad was the dog that came from there. He was on the March 2004 Bayed solid magazine cover. Here is a link to see it http://www.bayedsolid.com/covers/march04_cover.jpg